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THE HAUNTING SPECTRE

For whatever reason, the unspeakable has finally been uttered. It that must not be named, with apologies to Ms Rowling’s fictional hero, has been dragged out from under the stone where it has resided for so long. Whether the Establishment likes it or not, we the people are going to discuss the question and we, the people, are going to tell the Establishment what to do.

And they’re going to have to do it.

It is to divorce, that means of regulating the civil contract of marriage, to which I refer. The reasons why we as a nation are going to have to discuss this, much to the consternation of the Church Organised and its attendant God-botherers, are manifold.

One of these reasons is that Joseph Muscat has said that he will, if elected to real power (as opposed to what he’s been elected to now) see about introducing it. This was said perhaps because he is blessed with the impetuosity of youth, perhaps because he saw it coming and like any good politician decided that now is the time to hop on the bandwagon, or perhaps because he – like so many of us in the real world – doesn’t feel constrained by the imposed moral (so-called) strictures that beset us. Whatever the reason, it’s going to be an issue.

And if it’s going to be an issue, any smooth political operator will immediately seek to control the rhythm of the debate. Muscat may or may not be a smooth political operator, only time will tell (he is beginning to look like he might be – whether he’s helped or hindered by the various bits of baggage with which he’s been lumbered is another matter) but Gonzi certainly is, so it’s thanks to this that we can say that it’s thanks to Muscat that, finally, Malta is going to have to discuss divorce.

There are those who say that there are other reasons why the Scandalous Subject has to be discussed.

The isolationists, who see the source of all our ills as lying to the North, centred in Brussels, will say that this is yet another instance of the EU forcing its policies down the throat of every member state, regardless of that state’s cultural and sociological ideals. Never mind that – at least in the matter of divorce – we’re the only member state that refuses, officially at least, to recognise that a) it’s fervently desired by the vast majority of its citizens (and before I’m asked, no, I haven’t conducted a scientific survey, it’s just what I think most people would say they wanted if asked the right question) b) it’s time the restrictive influences of a single religion were removed from state governance and c) it’s available to those who can buy it anyway.

The latter point alone makes it imperative for divorce to become available in Malta to remove the discrimination between those who can afford to buy a foreign divorce and those who can’t.

Oh well, I suppose blaming the EU is marginally less ludicrous than blaming the immigrants, which I am sure some moronic racist would try to do if given half a chance.

Another reason why, some people are saying, the debate is being proposed is that some of those who are pushing it have a personal interest in seeing divorce brought in to Malta.

Let me put paid to this one and point out that at the moment, I have no wish to get divorced (whether this applies to my spouse, currently dragging herself out of the pit of nod while I slave away over a hot keyboard, is another matter) but I am – and have been for many, many years – publicly and unequivocally in favour of divorce being available to anyone who wants it, subject of course to appropriate protective mechanisms for all concerned.

Moreover, I have no financial interest in the matter of obtaining divorces for people. In my real life, I earn a living from an area of activity that traditionally sees members of the profession that practise it earning a decent crust from family court proceedings. This area of practise is, however, a closed book to me, one that I have absolutely no intention of opening.

So I, along with many of the people who want the debate to start, have no personal interest in starting it: not everyone acts out of exclusively personal interest all the time.

A spokesperson from the Ministry of Justice was (hopefully mis-)quoted as saying that “Malta would make sure that divorce would not form part of the Maltese legal system”. While I am sure this is not what he or she meant to say, because otherwise this would have been a statement of Mintoffian levels of arrogance, implying that the Government knows best and there’s an end to it, it is precisely this sort of mind-set that I would dearly love to see vanquished once and for all. Just because a group of men in frocks (to put it uncharitably, inaccurately but nonetheless not that far wrongly) have decided that marriage, like a puppy, is for life and not just for Xmas, doesn’t mean that it is or that we have to accept that it is.

I really hope no-one will trot out the argument that Catholic Malta depends for its moral strength on the integrity of the family unit or some such twaddle. I see where the people who put this forward are coming from, but come on, people, step back and smell the coffee, why don’t you? Malta has remained about as Catholic – in the true rather than the ceremonial sense – as it has remained a rural colony under Her Majesty Queen Victoria, High Panjandrum of Great Britain and Imperatrix of the Empire (fellow Anglophiles will forgive me for not getting the title perfectly right) and as for our moral strength, yes, right, pull the other one, it’s got bells on.

Not to put too fine a point on it, Maltese society, whatever that amorphous blob-word means, is as venal, self-interested, licentious, bigoted, materialistic, amoral and uncaring as any other. Many component members of the clump of souls that inhabits this rock are not venal, etc, etc – I’d go as far as to say that perhaps there are more who aren’t than who are but this is not because we don’t have divorce.

And it is not because the Catholic Church, with its absolutist, but leaky, attitude towards the permanence of marriage, holds some form of sway over us, either. There are as many, proportionately speaking, good chaps in countries that eschew religion as a pillar of state policy making as there are here. Sorry for the use of the word “chaps”, incidentally, I trust I shall not be visited by minions from the NCPE, wielding politically correct truncheons.

I fervently hope that once the debate is over, we will have come to our senses and worked out that a sensible alternative to “living in sin” (like anyone really cares) or the hypocrisy of annulments is unavoidable. This will not mean that anyone whose religious convictions preclude him or her (see, I can obey the diktats of the NCPE when it is appropriate so to do) from accepting to be divorced will have to consider themselves to be divorced and act accordingly – their morality remains their own.

But it will mean that the individual citizens married to them, who want to determine the civil contract of marriage into which they entered, will have their wishes respected.

Respect for the individual, at the end of the day, is what it’s all about. This has always been a concept anathema to the grey eminences who think they know best, which is why it has to be shoved down their throats once and for all.

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Jo Said (on 31/7/08)
Joe Psaila Savona - I apologise if I attributed 'buts' to you. I agreed with all that you said. However (but.. there goes again!) one should not qualify a comment like yours (which is positive and welcome) with 'the solution'. To my mind, the solution to the existing injustice should be to correct the present legislation from the civil point of view. One would err had one to keep drumming the fallacy that because Malta is Catholic (sic) the state should resist changes to our laws, which are not consonant to the Catholic teaching. I must again point out that I am a Christian. Catholicism is something else.
Kenneth Cassar (on 31/7/08)
Christopher, even those who are Church-married can get a divorce abroad, if they can afford the extra expenses (I think that to do so requires living in the foreign country for some years). However, obviously, Church-married people who get a divorce cannot re-marry in church.
Kenneth Cassar (on 31/7/08)
Alex Ellul wrote: "The problem is that those who take good care of their car (marriage) will be taxed by the state so that those whose car breaks down completely without hope of repair, will get state assistance in getting their passengers (children) maintained, fed, clothed and educated, and all other new financing that the state will require to support the owners and passengers of the broken down vehicle. So, all you once-in-a-lifetime-marriage supporters, prepare yourself for more taxes".

Here's where Alex is completely wrong. Any assistance to children through welfare (if the people concerned qualify) is already being given in the case of separated couples. Divorce will not change anything in this respect. In normal cases, financial child support is provided by the father. In exceptional cases it is given by the state. Of course, the system is sometimes abused, but there would be no difference between separation and divorce where financing the upbringing of children is concerned.

That the state would be expected to support (money-wise) the upbringing all children of failed marriages when divorce is introduced is a myth I have only heard of today.
Sinclair Calleja (on 31/7/08)
In a perfect world, marriages last for ever. Unfortunately some don't. Many people speak about divorce as if it was an easy way out. Couples who decide to divorce do it as a last resort. Divorce is painful. It costs lots of money and takes a long time. Usually one partner stands to lose a lot from the divorce, since everything has to be split and alimony has to be paid by law. So to all those who are against divorce I suggest: do not divorce, if you will. Stick to your beliefs, and may your marriage be happy forever. For the others (hopefully a minority), they need a fair solution that can help them out of their turmoils, which no amount of councilling or praying can fix, e.g. a bad match that does not qualify for annulment. I'm sure that by "What God has joined together let no man shall tear asunder" was not intended to mean "Live hell on Earth with a cheating spouse" or something on those lines. To conclude, I'm not a divorce lawyer, I'm not married but I'm in a happy relationship. Empathy towards others is the keyword. We seem to lack this in Malta.
Christopher Xuereb (on 31/7/08)
To all those who invoke the bible or god in justifying the denial of a secular right to the citizens of this country, a right that is available to the rest of the species (bar the Philippines who are as deluded as we are). The church has no business interfering in civil marriage just as the state has no interest in how the church may regulate the ecclesiastical rite.
Christopher Ripard (on 30/7/08)
@KC-minus the Sunshine Band (I'm a big ELO fan, myself). I'm not averse to being called 'Chris', rather than Mr Ripard, so, don't stand on ceremony! I use Christopher for the purpose of differentiating myself from Christian Ripard.

@ABC - you're the Legal Beagle: isn't Geraldine's comment pretty much what we have at the moment i.e. those not Church married can divorce and it will be recognised? It's only at Footie that I'm an 'intenditore', as you know : )
JoSsaid (on 30/7/08)
Part two
A civil marriage is purely a contract, an agreement that can (may) be mutually rescinded. This is precisely why we mortals should never interfere with the defaulting couple's life and happiness. We should not play the judge on others, no matter how deep rooted our faith is in God. We should learn to start loving, empathizing and caring for others. The state (the people) has no hold on anyone as long as this anyone does not break the norms of social behavior. What man enacts, man may delegislate, especially where injustices cause so much pain as in the lives of broken civil marriages.
Jo Said (on 30/7/08)
Part One
The moralists keep talking of a contract with God.
I am a Christian and am all for the Marriage in God. That is called a covenant and it can never be a contract. How can one sign an agreement with God? God is love, eternal love and as such all couples who marry in the name of God (they say 'by the church'), promise God a pact. That is something else and nothing to do with a civil contract. One can marry another in the jungle, no priest present, and if both marry in the name of God, their marriage is lifelong if not also eternal (in God). If they default, their spiritual belief, hence their faith, would be, to say the least, on their conscience.
Alex Ellul (on 30/7/08)
I liked Kenneth Cassar's analogy to a car, that married partners have to take good care of the car (marriage), otherwise it will breakdown (sometimes it breaks down just the same) and the solution is: 1. repair, or 2. change it (divorce and remarry), or 3. stay without a car. (stay unmarried.)

The problem is that those who take good care of their car will be taxed by the state so that those whose car breaks down completely without hope of repair, will get state assistance in getting their passengers (children) maintained, fed, clothed and educated, and all other new financing that the state will require to support the owners and passengers of the broken down vehicle. So, all you once-in-a-lifetime-marriage supporters, prepare yourself for more taxes.
Joe Psaila Savona (on 30/7/08)
Jo Said - where in my latest contribution is there any mention of spiritual pastors, Christian or Christ? I am pleased that there is agreement on what I said, and the only fault in my argument is that it is ideal. The discussion about broken pieces should go pari passu with the acknowledgement of the great advantages of a healthy union and the need of a good preparation for it. The state should provide for all three. And please note that here again I have made no mention of anything spiritual. This may be discussed after we have agreed on the preliminaries !!
Geraldine Spiteri (on 30/7/08)
I think we should stop imposing Catholic values by law on everyone. If people want a Catholic marriage, they marry before a priest. If not, then civil law should give them the option to dissolve it if it no longer works. what is the point of keeping two people together if they don't want to be? and worse, of keeping people from getting married because of previous errors? not allowing divorce is denying human nature, that we all make mistakes even in fundamental choices, and that we all have an individuality to the point of possibly growing apart even if the choice was originally a good one.
Franco Farrugia (on 30/7/08)
@ M Psaila-Savona: how can you be sure that your partner is ALSO as adequately prepared as you are? How can you be sure what's inside the mind of your partner? How can you be sure what the hell is going to happen to you within a few years?
I know at least ONE COUPLE who had an ideal marriage. Ideal in the true, deep sense of the word. Then, circumstances made them split up. At this very point, their marriage is over, with or without the State's approval!
And please, can everybody stop quoting the Church or Church sources? This is strictly a lay state and thus, arguments have to go beyond what any doctrine states.
Kenneth Cassar (on 30/7/08)
No problem, Mr Ripard. I only wished to clarify a point you made, just in case it is misunderstood as meaning that since divorce is recognised, there is no need to introduce it in Malta (which of course is not what you implied). I was not confronting you...I was only adding to your point.

Where's the Sunshine Band? Don't know...but they sure ripped me off. I never recieved any royalties ;)
Christopher Ripard (on 30/7/08)
@ KC (where's the Sunshine Band?)

Dear Ken, you have missed the point completely, which was: if the C. Church shapes up, problem is solved because divorce is recognised in the other forms of marriage - this goes for rich, poor, untouchables, anyone. Nothing to do with money - on the contrary, what I'm suggesting does away with dicrimination on the basis of who's loaded and who has nowt.

Is the principle clear now?
Jo Said (on 30/7/08)
Dr Psaila Savona, yours is an ideal world - a dream world. Morally, I agree with what you say, but one has to face reality and amend it's injustices. Our spiritual pastors should radiate love and live it - act it and teach by example. How can a Christian 'force' love down someone else's throat? How can anyone living in misery accept punitive legislation which the State enacts because of the influence the Church bears on it? Hypocrites are chided by Christ, aren't they?
Jo Said (on 30/7/08)
Mr Ripard, are you sure you're still with us? We've moved on, mate. Your comments are disgraceful, to say the least. Why incite in a manner which only opens wounds that are healed? Discuss divorce, if you may.
Kenneth Cassar (on 30/7/08)
Joe Psaila Savona wrote: "The solution is not in picking up the pieces, but in keeping the unison together with a good preparation for it".

True, but if one neglects one's car (preparation) and it fails to work, one is left with three options:

1. Get the car fixed.
2. If it can't be fixed, buy a new car.
3. Stay without a car.

Of course, I hope nobody thinks I'm saying marriages are cars. All I'm saying is that while good preparation for marriages are of invaluable importance, some marriages will still fail (be it for lack of preparation or otherwise). Some people would want a second chance after a failed marriage (irrespective of the reasons) if the marriage cannot be saved.
Kenneth Cassar (on 30/7/08)
Quote: "Non-catholic divorce is already recognised, ergo: problem solved".

Correction: Non-catholic divorce is already recognised, ergo: problem solved for the rich who can afford to get divorced outside of Malta.
Joe Psaila Savona (on 29/7/08)
Do you not see that you are going round in circles. You are missing the wood for the trees! The solution is not in picking up the pieces, but in keeping the unison together with a good preparation for it. Couples are going for marriage after an initial attraction which more likely than not, fades away with time. It is what one builds on this that does the trick. Dr Johnson said that a man who has been happy with one woman could have been equally happy with one of 'tens of thousands' - this because he went for it with what it takes! Our society should see to it that our couples know what they are going in for, know the reality of the commitments that they are making. The slipshod happy go lucky way some couples enter marriage leaves so much to be desired and little wonder that their marriage is on the rocks after a few years. As would subsequent contracts they would go for. The secret lies in an adequate preparation of both mind and body. Anything short of this will simply result in a domino effect of problems creating further problems.
d.attard (on 29/7/08)
Hi Christopher

Two separate issues:

State: Divorce is necessary to maximise quality-of-life potential and social order.

The Church: I would try to find options on the Orthodox or Church of England model. The Church allowed divorce when Constantine kicked the bucket and so on. I am keen to have a strong church both for cultural and social reasons. I mush prefer the protestant communion model where I would be a comfortable methodist. As things stand within our church, you have a supposedly single path yet all beat their own DIY path.

Regards

Regards
Charles J Buttigieg (on 29/7/08)

@ Christopher Ripard . Yeah that’s the government,100% spot on you are, Labour ,the party of the revolution. I think you are talking about what happened between 1971 and 1987. Why be so selective, how about going back a few more years say 1958-1971 when bread ,oil,pasta,sugar,soap etc. were rationed. We also saw the attempted assassination of Mintoff twice and another attempt on Calcidon Agius and the Socialist delegation and more. And what about the Catholic Religion, the Holy inquisition, Popes fornications, the unofficial support to Mussolini by the Vatican,the official support by the PN and the church to Franco and on and on and on.And we had corporal punishment at school and home condoned by the church and the state. Do you remember the saying ‘Save the rod and spoil the child? But what has all this got to do with todays issues? What is past is prologue: the future is now.
Christopher Ripard (on 29/7/08)
OK D. Attard - back to divorce.

If the Catholic Church were to get real and grant annullments neither easily nor making it "mission impossible", that is all we need. The Church is quite ready to release nuns and priests from their vows, so why not married couples? Non-catholic divorce is already recognised, ergo: problem solved. Unortunately, the Church is behind the times but - trust me - (tho CJB won't), one day, the Church will accept married priests and women priests too. Then she'll have to move on annullments.

Peter Prictoe (on 29/7/08)
I am sure that our learned mentor is weary of his fellow Maltese politicising every subject and worrying over the mouldy bones of history.

My suggestion is that a separate matrimonial court be set up, independent of the Church, with power to endorse marriage contracts and dissolve them if necessary-with due regard to children and so on.

The Nationalists will never do this because the Maltese version of the Catholic Church is essentially PN at prayer. MLP would be frightened to do it for fear of losing Catholic votes-same as it stays quiet on the hunters.

The chattering classes would like to continue arguing on the difference between divorce and annulment whist raking over the embers of the sins of past administrations.

I was married 52 years back as a then Protestant in a Yorkshire Catholic church with an employee of the Leeds Registrar present whose papers I was obliged to sign. Whilst I would never contemplate divorce I would allow it for all and as a reader, counter and collector of our local Catholic church I am aware of several divorcees present of whom some take communion and no-one worries.

You Maltese like to make life difficult.


Franco Farrugia (on 29/7/08)
@ d attard: What the hell are you on about, man?!
Keith Grech (on 29/7/08)
I am no expert in field of marriage law but more than often people query why annulments take so long. Will it be the same if we had to introduce a divorce law? What will the divorce set-up be? Will we have a specialised law court? Some food for thought. Sorry if I raised more questions than answers.
d.attard (on 29/7/08)
Dear Christopher Ripard,

If the horrible Government you mention left us without pasta and choclate, we certainly did not need neither toothpaste nor hospitals (given the low carb/fat diet that we must have enjoyed). With all the toothpaste around you may perhaps want to be less grumpy and more smiley.

Now back to the divorce issue, should we consider a ban on pasta and chocolate seeing that in them days seperations were much smaller in number than is the case today? :)

Cheers and Regards
Christopher Ripard (on 29/7/08)
@ Charles J Buttigieg.

I suppose you're talking about the "progressive" element that closed our hospital and exiled our doctors, smashed party clubs, smashed the Times, rigged elections, smashed the Curia, took over all broadcasting, failed to provide water, left us without pasta, toothpaste, chocolate, wrecked university, controlled all banking . . . sure we'll trust you!
M.Spiteri (on 29/7/08)
Let's stop including Jesus into every single debate and controversy. As I see it divorce is an issue that definitely needs to be tackled and it needs to be do in a apolitical environment. So we're happy not to have divorce as a religious issue and now we want to make it a political one? It's not MLP or PN or AD or God knows who else. I am a Catholic and I follow the teachings of my Church - that is up to me and my God. Divorce is a legal issue and legally I feel it makes sense. It covers those who are legally trapped and without alternatives that respect their rights, who am I to constrict their rights? All I can do is preach my path but by consequence I must allow others to follow theirs. Whether divorce is the right solution I frankly don't know and I have my doubts but there are people who can't wait until we discover a solution. I feel that blindly closing eyes to other people's pain would be nothing but unchristian on my part.
Kenneth Cassar (on 29/7/08)
To be honest, I'm not 100% sure that people getting married in church cannot opt to get only a civil annulment, but if they choose to try both, the church sentence is final and a civil annulment case is trashed as soon as a church one is registered.

Also, if one of the couple wants a church annulment and the other only a civil one, the one wanting just the civil annulment has no say in the matter. Therefore, if the church does not give the annulment, the one who would have wanted the civil annulment loses
Kenneth Cassar (on 29/7/08)
Charles J Buttigieg (on 29/7/08)
@ ABC.
& Kennith Cassar. According to Kenneth Cassar “The people getting Married today in Church cannot get a civil annulment unless they also get a Church one.” This cannot be true! Or is it? God give me strength because if this really applies I might as well migrate to Iran.
Charles J Buttigieg (on 28/7/08)
We are all going round in circles like politicians trying to avoid an issue. Priests are free to preach without the influence and interference of government. Governments are elected to legislate and should not be influenced by the church.

All countries worldwide including Italy which has the Pope as one of its bishops, provide the legal framework for divorce. Can the world be wrong and the Republic of Malta right? We joined the EU not to be isolated from the European continent and we are still debating the divorce issue. What a controversial country we are! Pajjiz tall Mickey Mouse governed by a party which motto is still Religio et Patria. Perhaps conveniently.

The PN will never bring in divorce, the progressive element of our country has no choice other than to wait for Labour to be elected in Government. Trust me.
Christopher Ripard (on 28/7/08)
My only qualification on the subject is that I am a) married and b) have been affected to some extent by separations, annulments and divorce, as a third party.

These things are so unique and personal, no legislation will ever be totally perfect or fair. But that said, we must try.

I don't believe we have a right to happiness. I do believe that those that don't believe should have a right to divorce. Jeez, it really is a complicated subject.
Jo Said (on 28/7/08)
@ Charles Buttigieg - I feel that being dogmatic is precisely the way one ought to be with the religious apologists. I consider myself a Christian, and that is exactly why I support civil divorce.
@ ABC - you could not have put it better.

Caesar legislates and therefore may de-legislate. We never ask for any permission from the state to marry, do we? We just file our intention to live together, hence, putting it simply, we - the couple - ''announce'' our commitment. Just like any other commitment, we have the right to terminate it, mutually. Who is Caesar to impose on us, or to suppress our freedom?
It should be very easy for the state to acknowledge this especially when there would be no children in that marriage. Agreed?
Let us tackle this point first. And here I am inviting the moralists to comment too. I tried to put it in layman's words for ease of discussion.
d.attard (on 28/7/08)
Now that we seem to have consensus we may look at some substance, eg:

A divorce must be certified by a Court of law.

Divorce settlements such as Mediation and Collaborative Divorce, which negotiate mutually acceptable resolution to conflicts, should be encouraged. Approval of such divorce arrangements should be almost guaranteed.

Joint Custody to be the norm as this seems to keep number of Divorces low.

Maltese divorce should be no-fault based i.e. the dissolution of a marriage does not require an allegation or proof of fault of either party to be shown. Applicant/s need to show separation for 30 months. Divorce application can be made by either party or by both parties jointly.

Common reasons for no-fault divorce to include incompatibility, irreconcilable differences, and irremediable breakdown of the marriage.

A simple divorce should be available for short marriages (under 3 years) having no children, and minimal or no real property.
Kenneth Cassar (on 28/7/08)
Peter Mercieca wrote: "In my humble opinion, a Christian marriage holds the patent on the definition of the word marriage".

I wonder why Jesus did not make a fuss when he was a guest in a non-Christian marriage, then. Far from making a fuss, he even provided them with extra (and better) wine.

Marriage predates Christianity, so no, a Christian marriage cannot hold "the patent" on the definition of marriage.
Andrew Borg-Cardona (on 28/7/08)
Tim Ripard, your question raises a nice point of human rights law : is the right to divorce and, consequently, re-marry a fundamental human right? I doubt that it is the sort of right that can be enforced against the State if the said State chooses not to allow divorce on public policy grounds.
Kenneth Cassar (on 28/7/08)
@ Charles J Buttigieg:

I think you might have misunderstood me. The state can and has annulled marriages made in a church...provided they were before a certain date of the Church-State agreement, which was during the Eddie Fenech Adami era, and not the Mintoff one. The people getting Married today in Church cannot get a civil annulment unless they also get a Church one.

Of course, this is unique to Malta. Apparently Malta is holier than the Vatican.
Tim Ripard (on 28/7/08)
Peter Mercieca is partly right. Non-Catholics - and this includes those ex-Catholics who formally renounce their Catholicism (the Catholic Church calls them apostates and reminds them that by so doing they are giving up eternal life, a pretty potent argument. Furthermore this is a mortal sin only forgivable by one's diocesan bishop or his delegate) have a clear right to divorce.

Andrew, though you eschew messing about in the legalities of divorce, could you venture an opinion on the hypothetical situation whereby an apostate or two apostates, forming one half or one whole married couple apply to the appropriate court claiming that, as non-Catholics, they are entitled to obtain a divorce and that Maltese legislators must enact legislation that enables them to obtain such divorce. On what grounds can such a right be denied? Moreover, should one or both parties wish to re-marry, should the state not have to enact legislation enabling he/she or them to do so?

Peter's wrong to say that only a Catholic marriage is a real marriage, though.
Peter Prictoe (on 28/7/08)

@ Andrew Borg-Cardona who wrote:
Are there any points to be made that address the main issue?

No, it seems, so please move on to something interesting.
Charles J Buttigieg (on 28/7/08)
@ABC. agreed.no problem here.
Christine Galea (on 28/7/08)
@Charles J Buttigieg. The Orthodox Church permits divorce and remarriage in the context of “oikonomia” (the economy of salvation). This is a pastoral concession by which the Church desires to be of aid to those who are suffering the tragedy of a broken marriage due to human weakness, ie when the marriage has ceased to be a reality. There is in other words a close relationship in every dimension between divorce and the possibility of remarriage. It is important here to explain a fundamental element of the Orthodox Church’s doctrine, namely that the dissolving of a marriage relationship does not ipso facto grant the right to enter into another marriage. In general there has always been a sense of reluctance regarding a second marriage. It would subsequently be completely wrong to assert that Orthodox Christians may divorce and remarry over and over again! A second or third marriage will always be a deviation from the “ideal and unique marriage”, but often a fresh opportunity to “correct a mistake”.
Charles J Buttigieg (on 28/7/08)
@ Kenneth Cassar. The state can and had annulled marriages made in church and the annulled couple will have the legal right to remarry. It’s the church that does not recognise the state annulments. This is universal and has nothing to do with the Vatican-Mintoff concordat. It's also common sense bering in mind that legalities are a state monopoly.No more no less. Apologies for being so dogmatic.
Andrew Borg-Cardona (on 28/7/08)
Are there any points to be made that address the main issue? I don't particularly care what the Catholic Church, the Church of Seventh Day Adventists or, for that matter, the Klingons think about CIVIL DIVORCE. If you choose to adhere to a faith, that is your business - civil society, on the other hand, establishes its own norms of behaviour.
Kenneth Cassar (on 28/7/08)
@ Charles Buttigieg:

Here's an update to your explanation of annulment:

After that infamous "agreement" between church and state that made Malta more and more look like a theocracy, people getting married in church may not get a civil annulment anymore. They can only get a church annulment. If the church does not give the annulment, they will have to stay married, and the state cannot dissolve the marriage (or declare it never happened). The state, because of our unique church-state agreement, can only dissolve marriages that have not been made in a church.
Jo Said (on 28/7/08)
My points were two, in total.
I agreed with the blogger on his comment that ran like this ''Joe Psaila Savona - do I understand you to say that I am not a Christian? Whether I am or not is hardly anyone's concern but mine, but your characterisation of me hardly characterises you as a true Christian yourself. And where, pray, did I advocate dishonesty or unfaithfullness? Address the argument, sir, and don't introduce red herrings.'' Well said ABC, except for the last sentence, had it not come from Humpty himself.
Address the argument, and don't introduce red herrings? So correct, you would be, Humtpy. But only if you practice what you preach. Got it?
Peter Mercieca (on 27/7/08)
Divorce the Titles.
Its funny how our definitions of "marriage" differ based on our bias, current status with the "mrs" (or "mr") and our fear of entrapment within a possibly difficult union. In my humble opinion, a Christian marriage holds the patent on the definition of the word marriage (within our context obviously) so perhaps we need to separate, or better, rename any union that may contemplate a divorce clause....eg a civil partnership, or parentage...call it what you will, but not marriage . A christian marriage cannot be divorced, if you think you can't handle it, then avoid marriage within the church altogether, and worry not you don't even get ostracised nowadays!
To be totally honest, I'm not opposed to introducing divorce....as long as it excludes Christian marriages...you can already (almost) do whatever you please in our society, but we shan't accept the mockery of one to appease the other.
K. Pullicino (on 27/7/08)
"A married couple should try to work things out, especially when kids are involved. If that don't work, they should be allowed to get divorced.So they could move on."

But will society try to help make things work? Or will society point the couple immediately to divorce? And at which point will a marriage "not work" (the moment the couple is magically incompatible, somehow?)?
Charles J Buttigieg (on 27/7/08)
@ Joe Vella .You are harbouring a misconception.ABC,who is a Doctor of Laws, therefore unlike myself an authority on the subject, tried to explain this to you and you are still persisting. My good friend please make a special effort and admit that you are wrong.

Marriage annulment is marriage annulment, the church annuls the church’s marriage and the court of laws the state marriage. People who like myself got married in church only may get an annulment by the court and remarry outside the church however if a couple obtains only the church’s annulment they will not be allowed to remarry inside or outside the church.

I do not think that divorce is accepted by any Christian Religions but there had been cases where churches, including the catholic church found justifications to bless a divorce followed by civil marriage.
Andrew Borg-Cardona (on 27/7/08)
Purely for the record, since people don't seem to get it: I DO NOT CONTROL THIS BLOG, I DO NOT CENSOR IT, I DO NOT BAR PEOPLE. Sometimes, I wish I did.
Joe Vella (on 27/7/08)
@ Charles J. Buttigieg

MY point is that when one speaks of annulment generally speaking is making reference to the church dissloving a marriage entered into under Canon law; whereas, when one speaks of divorce one refers to civil marrage.

So I think for clarity one should not interchange the two words.
Charles J Buttigieg (on 27/7/08)
@ ABC . Freedom of expression like all other freedoms is healthy,beautifull and organic. You speak your mind and I will most likely disagree and vice versa. Some of the arguments raised here, not excluding mine, seem utterly stupid to some people but not so stupid to some others. Opinions are diverse. Please try to control your desire to bar people from your blog. At any rate censorship will make it less appealing.
laurence schembri (on 27/7/08)
Decree absolute, is Divorce.
Annulment is, cancel, abolish.
So I will ask again, what`s the difference?
To my way of thinking as a layman it means exactly the same. Different wording.
Denis Catania (on 27/7/08)
No nation should be allowed to force a couple to stay married. A married couple should try to work things out, especially when kids are involved. If that don't work, they should be allowed to get divorced.So they could move on.
Alex Ellul (on 27/7/08)
I just hope the wife beaters won't be given the right to re-marry and have a new wife whom to beat. I believe their licence to re-marry should be witheld till senelity takes over.
Andrew Borg-Cardona (on 27/7/08)
Divorce and annulment do mean dfferent things, as you rightly point out, Joe Vella, but let's not be naive and pretend that the latter is not resorted to by many due to the unavailability of the former.

Your statement that "the State doesn't deal with annulment the church does" is incorrent: the Civil Court can, and frequently does, adjudicate on the validity or otherwise of the civil union.
Charles J Buttigieg (on 27/7/08)
@Joe Vella. Just what are you talking about? Believe you in me I do not like anybody to look a fool. Please ponder a little on your last statements and then revert back to us. Your greatest gaffe is that the state doesn’t deal with annulments. Check your facts before making categorical statements.
d.attard (on 27/7/08)
Old busses and no divorce, that made of Malta a quaint affair, have now become her nightmare.
Joe Vella (on 27/7/08)
@ Charles J. Buttigieg

Annulment and divorced are to seperate issues. The State doesn't deal with annulment the church does.

Even if divorced is introduced in Malta, the couples are still deemed to be married in the eye of the church.

The two words, annulment and divorce, should not be interchanged as they mean and refer to two different things.
Charles J Buttigieg (on 27/7/08)
Part two.

Divorce is not a vehicle to destroy matrimonial unity, it is a law to safeguard the interests of all concerned after the bond of marriage becomes untenable.

The church is still against civil marriage today, against the use of contraceptives, against sex out of marriage, against sodomy,against adultery, against cohabitation, against homosexuality, against bikinis, against French kissing out of marriage even.

As a Christian I embrace some of these values but who in his\her right frame of mind today expects the state to entrench them by law. I certainly do not, but there again I believe in Social Democracy not Christian Democracy and vote Labour.
Charles J Buttigieg (on 27/7/08)

In addition to my other posting. In hard terms the state is dictating to us the following: When there is sufficient ground for annulment marriage may be dissolved; when legally married couples decide between themselves to separate the law will respect that decision and provide an adequate framework to protect the children. The couple will be free to go their separate ways including cohabitate with different partners but they cannot remarry for the simple undeclared reason that the church does not allow it. Hello....Who is in charge here?

The irony of ironies is the fact that if a couple decides on a civil marriage in Malta and eventually acquire a divorce in another country, our religion will find no moral impediment to marry them with different partners in church.

apgrech (on 27/7/08)
Joe Psaila Savona said: "ABC would not feel the wrong as a Christian would, but he must, as a man, feel the dishonour of breaking a promise"

The couple make a vow to love each other. What happens if one of them breaks that vow and acts violently against his spouse? Is the victim supposed to live a life of misery?

laurence schembri (on 27/7/08)
Divorce-Annulment. What is the difference?
A person can go to court and obtain an annulment and get married at the Registry, as easy as that. If this is not a divorce then I`m a Dutchman.
Another goes to the Curia and get an unnulment, the difference is, this person can re-marry in in church with the all the church blessings.
How a person that has been married close to six years can obtain an annulment from the Curia is rather odd, but it has happened many times.
Andrew Borg-Cardona (on 27/7/08)
And there's another one for banning - "Jo Said".... Lucky I don't run this blog, we'd end up without inane comments to balance the sensible and/or amusing ones.
Leonard Gauci (on 27/7/08)
The question is not whether an individual agrees or disagrees with divorce but whether Maltese legislation should permit divorce. A practicing Roman Catholic may agree with the latter while rejecting divorce on a personal level. And there’s nothing to stop a spouse who gets divorced by his/her wife/husband from continuing to live the Roman Catholic life to the full.

I. Scicluna asks, “Wouldn’t it be better for a Referendum to decide IF the debate should start or not”. What can one say? Shall we have a referendum on a person’s right to work? Shall we have a referendum to see whether our children should continue to have access to free education? Shall we have a referendum to see whether the State should continue to provide adequate health services? Shall we have a referendum to see whether people should be entitled to a decent pension?

I think that if the PN decide to make a political issue of this in the same way that the MLP did with EU membership, they will likewise end up getting thrashed. The PM probably has enough political sense to play things down and just get the job done with the minimum of fuss.
Charles J Buttigieg (on 26/7/08)

Divorce is a civil right and therefore the state is in duty bound to provide the necessary legal framework and easy access for its attainment. The will of the majority has no right to deprive the choice of the minority in this regard and therefore a debate on the issue is uncalled for. No more no less.

Moreover It is a scandal in modern Malta that existing law does almost nothing to prevent people from losing their home or sliding into poverty if their relationship breaks down or their partner dies. Sensibly drafted legislation is urgently needed to tackle the vulnerability not only of unmarried cohabiting couples and their children but also same sex couples, co- dependent carers and siblings who live together.

The church has a divine right to promote conventional marriages and to condemn gay marriages however it has no legal mandate to force its principles down the citizens’ throat.

Does all this sound too dogmatic? I meant it to be as it is high time that the church in Malta restricts itself to Religious teachings and allow our legislators to get on with their civil obligations .
Joe Psaila Savona (on 26/7/08)
I hasten to reply to ABC and apologise if my note gave any characterisation to his faith. I would want to be the last to do such a thing. However I read me over and over again and I do not see this. That some attitudes are not Christian-like I feel I can observe but it is solely the attitude and never the person I refer to. Yes possibly in doing this I may not be Christian-like myself, but that is another story.
Red herrings and discussion - I do not think one should enter into such a discussion before fully appreciating and exploiting the immense benefits of marriage. However if I had to go along with the contributions, the crux of the issue is where ABC sets the imp condition
' subject of course to appropriate protective mechanisms for all concerned ' Providing these to children of a still dependable age when the couple's main objective is their own well-being, I'm afraid still beats me.
Michael Debono (on 26/7/08)
In England to get a Catholic annulment of marriage first you need to show that you a have divorce decree.
This just for information.
Franco Farrugia (on 26/7/08)
I think that Mr Psaila-Savona has no idea how to join the discussion of divorce - he will simply blow a string of stereo-typed expressions taken from greeting cards, at you. Which do not help the discussion, obviously.
And with regard to those who expect some sort of referendum on the subject, I think that that would be another major fallacy and injustice: I believe that divorce is a right for those who seek and need it; and for the State to deny this right, even if this right had to be requested by just one person, would be wrong.
Let us remember that in the eyes of the State, marriage is nothing but a contract (a commitment) - correct me on this one, DR ABC. And the State DOES recognise that there may be reasons for any contract to be deemed broken!
Peter Prictoe (on 26/7/08)
K Pullicino wrote the first comment on this thread and ended:

"Finally, I'd like to say that if divorce is allowed in Malta (to which I still neither support nor object), I hope it doesn't become available just for the sake of "being like other countries" but rather for the benefit of the Maltese society."

That is precisely why a national of an "other country" cannot join in the discussion-for Malta is a law unto itself.

If Joe Muscat wanted to make a really fresh start then I suggest that he proposes to introduce a secular arrangement (ignoring the Church) whereby the parties of a
"Marriage" can select the length of time that the contract should run -maybe as short as a few years . I seem to recollect Heinleim writing a book on this theme many years ago.
Alex Ellul (on 26/7/08)
The question should be more what type of divorce law we should have than if we should introduce divorce or not. Would it be a Las Vegas style divorce, an Italian type, or a Maltese type? Where should we start? The Maltese family has gone through quite an earthquake these last years, requiring some thinking. However I believe that finally, after the discussion, the matter should be settled by means of a referendum. This would give the result a lot of weight and people will accept it as the will of the majority. If the result is in the negative then so be it.

Similarly we should settle the hunting issue democratically by means of a referendum...

These two issues will keep us quite busy till the next elections, thus avoiding national monotony during the next four years.
Jo Said (on 26/7/08)
@ Humpty - red herrings? Practice what you preach my dear friend. Hypocrisy leads you deeper and deeper down the gutter, Andrew.
@ Joe Psaila Savona - I agree with Andrew. No one should condescend anyone else. If your faith is Christ-like, you would not push it on others. You act it and show it by your deeds.

Randolph Bugeja (on 26/7/08)
@ I. Scicluna: "Wouldn't it be better for a Referendum to decide IF the debate should start or not? Why not see where Public Opinion lies BEFORE the war of opinions is unleashed?"

oh dear.....
Andrew Borg-Cardona (on 26/7/08)
Pity this blog isn't controlled by me. "Muscat Peter" would be barred.
Muscat Peter (on 26/7/08)
Divorce was the issue that brought so much condemnation on the MLP in the past. I find it rather silly that we are still discussing this issue nowadays.

The contrasting declarations on the divorce,by two Ministers just a few days ago, as very devious and very decietful.While one Minister says that it is time to discuss the issue of legalising divorce the other Minister says that divorce will not be legally endorced.

The present system caters for the well to do: the chosen few.What a shame we are still living such social discrimination.

Well done to the new MLP Leader, Joseph for putting this issue as one of his priorities.
d.attard (on 26/7/08)
Dear Maria Gauci,

I am not sure that you understood my argumentation which must have been a trifle nebulous. I will therefore re-try:)

Divorce is necessary because it enables new relationships between seperated couples to enter into new marriage obligations with all the ensuing legal obligations, something that cohabitation does not require.

Cohabitating relationships can indeed be very strong relationships. Cascading such relationships into a new marriage union will benefit society and offspring.

Hence I am for Divorce also because it strengthens the social fabric. Divorce will result in more married couples. Hence, those who are in favour of the institution of marriage should, in my opinion, be in favour of Divorce. That is why all the countries in the world (bar one) and all 300 odd Christian denomination permit some kind of divorce.

May I finally appeal for a climate of discussion based on argumentation and less rhetoric.

Maria Gauci (on 26/7/08)
It is because of mentalities such as Mr/Mrs. Attard's that the fabric of society is disintegrating. S/he maintains that only marriage (first time) carries full commitment and remarriage "relative" commitment. Cohabitation is a no-strings-attached relationship. Whilst some cohabitations, like some Catholic marriages, can be lived as such, I assure Mr/Mrs Attard that a relationship is what you make it, irrelevant of whom you have made the promise in front of!!

Is this the kind of healthy discussion we’re aspiring to on the issue of divorce? But of course, democracy allows all should have their say…..
Andrew Borg-Cardona (on 26/7/08)
I. Scicluna - a referendum on whether to debate something? Isn't that taking democracy a tad too far?

Joe Psaila Savona - do I understand you to say that I am not a Christian? Whether I am or not is hardly anyone's concern but mine, but your characterisation of me hardly characterises you as a true Christian yourself. And where, pray, did I advocate dishonesty or unfaithfullness? Address the argument, sir, and don't introduce red herrings.
d.attard (on 25/7/08)
'Society' should value marriages that get it right first time.

Any marriage will face testing times. 'Society' should promote a climate that enables partners to seek loving solutions to all their problems.

Reality dictates that there will be instances when a relationship breaks down irreconcilably. In such instances, the holistic responsability of children should rest completly with parents.

Ex Partners separate. Some enter into a new relationship.

Without divorce, new relationships will only be of the easy type i.e. cohabitation - we live together no strings attached, here today, gone tomorrow.

Divorce offers the option of 'relative' (sorry J) commitment in marriage.

Based on their religious beliefs, Catholic Christians can not opt for divorce.

All other Christians (including Orthodox Christians) and adherents to major faiths, can remarry.

In any instance, divorce is a traumatic experience.

A divorce culture must seek to protect as much as is possible the vulnerable parties (especially children), must only happen when a relationship has really ended, and should hopefully be a springboard to new committed relationships that benefit from experience gained.

Being the only country in the world (bar one) without domestic divorce, we can not let our social fabric continue to disintegrate.
robert mitchell (on 25/7/08)
my dear sir, you certainly have the right of it, nicely put.
Joe Psaila Savona (on 25/7/08)
ABC would not feel the wrong as a Christian would, but he must, as a man,feel the dishonour of breaking a promise. Regardless of one's mystical conception of marriage,constancy in love thunders at him from every love-song in the world. Feelings come and go, but the parthership, the 'loyalty to the firm' make a man worth his salt.
I.Scicluna (on 25/7/08)
Wouldn't it be better for a Referendum to decide IF the debate should start or not? Why not see where Public Opinion lies BEFORE the war of opinions is unleashed?
J Martinelli (on 25/7/08)
Part 1

Dr. ABC, marriage was not instituted by who you describe and since it is evident that your bible is collecting dust somewhere, I will remind you of Christ's own words that 'What God has joined together let no man shall tear asunder". But enough about the moral aspect of the subject you chose to write about, for now.
The word 'divorce' stirs all kinds of emotions in different situations and is apt to raise a lot of discussion in Malta like never before. But then what else is new? We are a nation of arguers, debaters and, sometimes, persuaders, why then should this be any different?
It will be different because there are two sides of this issue, the moral side and the material side.
So, one may argue that divorce which is one step beyond separation is the result and not the cause of marriage failure. Had there been no marriage breakdowns, there would not be the use of the word let alone the practice of divorce.
Because of the lack of State defined 'conditions for divorce', one or both spouses may be burdened with more than the emotional aspect of the separation or divorce.
J Martinelli (on 25/7/08)
Part 2

Up and leaving a relationship especially after several years, injures the aggrieved spouse but even more if there are children involved.
A divorce law will define responsibilities after the dissolution of marriage, the division of assets and the degree of support of the spouse and children guaranteeing them a level of comfort not drastically different from what they had been used to prior to the marriage breakdown.
As a matter of fact, a divorce law may very well in some cases, deter spouses from obtaining one hastily since the consequences, legal and financial, could very well create more misery than the initial problem did. Depending on how the law is written, maybe a precondition could be counseling without which the divorce proceedings cannot be commenced.
Most countries, a good number of which are Christian/Catholic, have divorce laws going back decades, so I ask, are those Catholics less catholic than Maltese Catholics?
Personally, I have no use for divorce but does that mean that I should not care about anyone else whose circumstances are such that they make their life unbearable?
J Martinelli (on 25/7/08)
Part 3

Most countries, a good number of which are Christian/Catholic, have divorce laws going back decades, so I ask, are those Catholics less Catholic in the eyes of the church?
Even the church recognizes the difficulties in some marriages and has an annulment procedure. What is odd about this procedure is that when an annulment is granted, the church, in effect, declares a documented event which had happened some time before, void, as if it never happened.
Does the State then not have the power to look after the economic aspect of a union which has failed?
All parties should have a long and serious discussion and the government had better make sure that it creates a separate Divorce Court, suitably staffed and be prepared for the list of 'pending cases' to multiply.
Although ABC has no intention of ever stepping inside of the divorce court, there are plenty of lawyers rubbing their hands together hoping for a bonanza like never before because like always, the only winners in a divorce situation are none other than the lawyers - for the plaintiff and the defender!
d.attard (on 25/7/08)
100%perfect
K. Pullicino (on 25/7/08)
Since the Church, the Government and Mr. Borg Cardona here all seem to know best I'm still quite undecided about whether divorce should be allowed or not (note that I still think that it's not something nice). I'm going to ask a few questions which I'd like answered. Let's start with the following three and try to have an objective discussion:

Firstly, what would lead a couple to divorce? (Quite simple question this, but I think it's necessary if we're going to do this maturely.)

Secondly, what would be the difference between a couple who cohabitates and a couple who is married (who live together, obviously) if divorce is allowed?

And, with divorce, what value would marriage actually have?

Finally, I'd like to say that if divorce is allowed in Malta (to which I still neither support nor object), I hope it doesn't become available just for the sake of "being like other countries" but rather for the benefit of the Maltese society.

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